Legislature(2011 - 2012)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)

03/27/2012 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE


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01:32:13 PM Start
01:32:54 PM Confirmations:
01:34:36 PM SB211
01:48:27 PM SB143
02:02:57 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
Governor's Appointments
*+ SB 211 PERS CREDIT FOR MILITARY SERVICE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ SB 143 BD OF ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
         SB 143-BD OF ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:48:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN announced consideration of SB 143.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL moved to bring SB 143 before the committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL   said  SB  143   was  filed  by   request,  and                                                               
essentially it would  designate an investigator for  the Board of                                                               
Architects, Engineers and Land Surveyors  (AELS) the same as that                                                               
used  for  the  State  Medical  Board.  She  explained  that  the                                                               
designated  investigator  would   help  facilitate  accurate  and                                                               
timely  investigations  and  those  timely  investigations  would                                                               
facilitate  two  goals.  The  first   is  the  top  priority  for                                                               
regulation of professions, and that  is public protection through                                                               
appropriate licensure. The  second is the responsible  use of the                                                               
board funds which come from licensing fees.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:49:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SHARON LONG, staff  to Senator Giessel, explained  that section 1                                                               
amends  AS 08.48.055  to designate  an investigator  specifically                                                               
for   the   board,   and   section   2   outlines   his   duties,                                                               
responsibilities  and  direct   accountability.  She  added  that                                                               
although there is a fiscal note,  that cost is covered by license                                                               
fees.  She explained  that the  AELS Board  currently covers  six                                                               
branches of  engineers and  architects and  that was  expanded on                                                               
March 11  to add 10  new categories for  a total of  16 branches.                                                               
The  number  of  licensees  the board  currently  monitors  could                                                               
increase dramatically from  5,600 licensees to maybe  800 to 1000                                                               
more over the next few years.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD  commended Senator  Giessel  for  this bill;  she                                                               
didn't see  they could  not pass  it. She has  heard a  number of                                                               
stories   about  how   investigators  for   other  boards   can't                                                               
physically investigate in a timely manner.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
BOYD  BROWNFIELD, representing  himself, Anchorage,  said he  has                                                               
been a registered civil engineer  in Alaska since August 1975. He                                                               
most  recently served  on the  AELS Board  from March  2004 until                                                               
March 2012 and supported having a full time investigator.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROWNFIELD  said of  20 professional boards  the AELS  is the                                                               
third  largest  with nursing  being  the  first and  barbers  and                                                               
hairdressers  being the  second. But  AELS  is the  first in  the                                                               
category   of  complexity   having   four  separate   professions                                                               
(engineers,    architects,   land    surveyors   and    landscape                                                               
architects).  Additionally,  within  the  engineering  profession                                                               
alone  there   are  six  different  branches   (civil,  chemical,                                                               
mechanical, electrical,  mining and  petroleum), each  having its                                                               
own  separate  technical  challenges.  These  six  branches  will                                                               
shortly increase  to 15, placing a  significant additional demand                                                               
on the investigator if he/she is going to do a good job.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BROWNFIELD   explained   that  in   reality   the   current                                                               
investigator,  John Savage,  serves AELS  only part  time; he  is                                                               
assigned to five  additional boards in addition  to their board's                                                               
demanding work  load. He serves as  investigator for construction                                                               
contractors,      mechanical      administrators,      electrical                                                               
administrators, underground  storage tanks and  home inspections.                                                               
So,  stated more  correctly, AELS  has  about 17  percent of  one                                                               
investigator's attention.  He said  they are fortunate  in having                                                               
Mr. Savage as an investigator but his workload is "staggering."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:55:35 PM                                                                                                                    
He said  the concept of  having a  full time investigator  is not                                                               
ground   breaking.  The   Medical  Board,   the  fourth   largest                                                               
professional board,  already has two full-time  investigators and                                                               
the Real Estate  Board, the sixth largest board, has  a full time                                                               
investigator.  The  Guide  and   Outfitters  Board,  the  seventh                                                               
largest, has one and a quarter investigators.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He thanked Senator Giessel for sponsoring this bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  said she felt privileged  to be in the  room when                                                               
Lt. Governor  Treadwell signed the  order certifying  the changes                                                               
to the regulations for the AELS Board.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:58:33 PM                                                                                                                    
COLIN  MAYNARD,   member,  Alaska  Professional   Design  Council                                                               
(APDC), Anchorage, said  it is an organization  that combines the                                                               
voice  of  nine  professional   design  societies  whose  members                                                               
consist  of  architects,  engineers,  land  surveyors,  landscape                                                               
architects, and interior designers,  for a combined membership of                                                               
almost 2,000  design professionals  and represents  the interests                                                               
of  over   6,300  professionals  and   professional  corporations                                                               
licensed to practice in Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said APDC's  major request to the AELS Board,  the Division of                                                               
Occupation Licensing and the Legislature  over the years has been                                                               
for enforcement  of the state's  licensure laws that  provide for                                                               
public safety  and welfare. But they  have no effect if  they are                                                               
not enforced.  Charges of  non-licensing or  substandard practice                                                               
need  to be  investigated in  a timely  manner, he  said, and  if                                                               
found credible  be brought before  the AELS  Board or a  court. A                                                               
dedicated investigator is needed for timely action.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAYNARD said  a question was raised in a  previous hearing on                                                               
whether   industry  was   willing  to   pay  for   the  dedicated                                                               
investigator  and the  answer  is an  emphatic  "yes." This  bill                                                               
would not incur  one cent of oil or other  general fund money. It                                                               
would be paid  for by the licensees. The fiscal  note indicates a                                                               
cost to each  licensee of less than $35 every  two years and they                                                               
are more  than willing to  pay that to  ensure that the  laws are                                                               
enforced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:00:32 PM                                                                                                                    
ERIC ERICKSON,  representing himself,  Juneau, supported  SB 143.                                                               
He said  he grew up  in Alaska  and is a  registered professional                                                               
engineer and  has served  on the  AELS board  since 2009.  It has                                                               
given  him  the  opportunity  to   gain  knowledge  of  the  AELS                                                               
regulations and  its mission  to protect  the health,  safety and                                                               
welfare  of the  public. Also  during this  time he  has had  the                                                               
opportunity  to  receive  feedback  on the  growing  concern  for                                                               
insufficient  investigative  resources  in the  policing  of  the                                                               
regulations. He said he supported  the committee's position paper                                                               
on SB  143 and  its conclusions  and recommendations,  which will                                                               
better serve  to protect  the health, safety  and welfare  of the                                                               
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN removed his objection  and closed public testimony. He                                                               
said SB 143 would be held until the next meeting.                                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 143 - Sectional Summary.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 - AELS Board Position Paper (Revised).pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 - Investigator's Additional Assigned Boards.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 - AELS Board Regulation Changes.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 AELS Board Regs Final Cover.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 Letter of Support - Burdett Lent.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 Letter of Support - Cliff Baker.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 Letter of Support - Harley Hightower.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 Letter of Support - Richard Heieren.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 Letter of Support - Richard Rearick.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB143-DCCED-CBPL-03-22-12.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 211 Sponsor Statement.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 v A.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 AS 39 35 340.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 PERS-military-service-credit.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 PSEA Position Paper.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 lttr supporting, Ingram 032412.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 lttr supporting, Sears 032212.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 lttr supporting,Webb 032312.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 211 lttr supporting, Carlson 032312.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211
SB 143 - Sponsor Statment CORRECTED 03272012.pdf SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 143
SB 211 CS blank v M.PDF SL&C 3/27/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 211